We're Less Secure Today Because Bush Went After The Wrong Target

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Maybe it's because I've been instructed to pack a respirator escape hood along with party dresses for the Boston convention. Maybe it's because our newspaper has assigned a terrorism reporter to cover a political convention. Maybe it's because George Bush is relaxing at his ranch down there (again) while Osama is planning a big attack up here (again). Maybe it's because there are just as many American soldiers dying in Iraq post-transfer, more Muslims more mad at us over fake W.M.D. intelligence and depravity at Abu Ghraib, and more terrorists in more diffuse networks hating us more.

Maybe it's because the F.B.I. is still learning how to Google and the C.I.A. has an acting head who spends most of his time acting defensive over his agency's failure to get anything right. Maybe it's because so many of those federal twits who missed the 10 chances to stop the 9/11 hijackers, who blew off our Paul Reveres - Richard Clarke, Coleen Rowley and the Phoenix memo author - still run things. Call me crazy, Mr. President, but I don't feel any safer.

The nation's mesmerizing new best seller, the 9/11 commission report, lays bare how naked we still are against an attack, and how vulnerable we are because of the time and money the fuzzy-headed Bush belligerents wasted going after the wrong target.

Even scarier, the commissioners expect Congress, which they denounced as "dysfunctional" on intelligence oversight, to get busy fixing things just as lawmakers are flying home for vacation.

The report offers vivid details on our worst fears. Instead of focusing on immediately hitting back at Osama, Bush officials indulged their idiotic idée fixe on Saddam and ignored the memo from their counter-terrorism experts dismissing any connection between the religious fanatic bin Laden and the secular Hussein.

"On the afternoon of 9/11, according to contemporaneous notes, Secretary Rumsfeld instructed General Myers to obtain quickly as much information as possible," the report says. " The notes indicate that he also told Myers that he was not simply interested in striking empty training sites. The secretary said his instinct was to hit Saddam Hussein at the same time - not only bin Laden."

At the first Camp David meeting after 9/11, the report states, "Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz made the case for striking Iraq during 'this round' of the war on terrorism."

Six days after the World Trade Center towers were pulverized, when we should have been striking Osama with everything we had, the Bush team was absorbed with old grudges and stale assumptions.

"At the September 17 N.S.C. meeting, there was some further discussion of 'phase two' of the war on terrorism," the report says. "President Bush ordered the Defense Department to be ready to deal with Iraq if Baghdad acted against U.S. interests, with plans to include possibly occupying Iraqi oil fields."

President Bush was unsure of himself, relying too much on a vice president whose deep, calm voice belied a deeply cracked world view.

He explained to the commissioners that he had stayed in his seat making little fish faces at second graders for seven minutes after learning about the second plane hitting the towers because, as the report says, "The president felt he should project strength and calm until he could better understand what was happening."

What better way to track the terror in the Northeast skies than by reading "My Pet Goat" in Sarasota?

The commissioners warn that the price for the Bush bullies' attention deficit disorder could be high: "If, for example, Iraq becomes a failed state, it will go to the top of the list of places that are breeding grounds for attacks against Americans at home. Similarly, if we are paying insufficient attention to Afghanistan, the rule of the Taliban or warlords and narcotraffickers may re-emerge and its countryside could once again offer refuge to Al Qaeda, or its successor."

And, if that's not ominous enough, consider this: "The problem is that Al Qaeda represents an ideological movement, not a finite group of people. It initiates and inspires, even if it no longer directs."

"Yet killing or capturing" Osama, the report says, "while extremely important, would not end terror. His message of inspiration to a new generation of terrorists would continue."

If the Bush crowd hadn't been besotted with the idea of smoking Saddam, they could have stomped Osama in Tora Bora. Now it's too late. Al Qaeda has become a state of mind.


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Remember everyone a liberal likely wrote wils post. Not kidding.

The men who used passenger jets to attack America on 9/11 were Muslim extremists.

The warship, the USS Cole, was attacked by Muslim extremists.

In 1998, U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by Muslim extremists, killing 212 people and wounding thousands.

In 1996, Muslim extremists exploded a truck bomb outside an Air Force housing complex in Saudi Arabia, killing 19 and injuring hundreds more.

In 1995, five Americans were killed in a car bomb explosion executed by Muslim extremists.

In 1993, the World Trade Center was bombed by Muslim extremists, killing six and injuring thousands.

Also in 1993, Muslim extremists plotted to assassinate then U.S. President George Bush. (Intriguingly, the word "assassin" comes from a Muslim sect active in the 11th to 13th centuries known as "the Assassins" for their religious practice of murdering infidels.)

In 1988, another passenger jet, Pan Am flight 103, was bombed by Muslim extremists, killing 270 people.

In 1986, Muslim extremists bombed a West Berlin discotheque frequented by U.S. servicemen.

In 1985, Muslim extremists seized an Italian cruise ship, the Achille Lauro, and murdered Leon Klinghoffer, a 69-year-old, wheelchair-bound American.

In 1983, Muslim extremists blew up U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut, killing 241 American servicemen.

In 1982, Muslim extremists bombed the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, killing 49 people, including 17 Americans.

In 1979, Muslim extremists stormed the U.S. Embassy in Iran and held American Embassy staff hostage for 444 days.

The refusal to make a connection between Muslim extremists and unending violence by Muslim extremists borders on psychopathological disturbance. Usually the nonsense liberals spout is kind of cute, but in wartime their instinctive idiocy is life-threatening.

In 1996, Osama bin Laden mocked the United States, saying: "Your problem will be how to convince your troops to fight, while our problem will be how to restrain our youths to wait for their turn in fighting."

Most of this taken from AC's work.

A vote for Kerry = A vote for the UN = A vote for Saddam = A vote for Al Quida = A vote for muslim extremists.
 

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Thanks, JP - My point exactly, why waste hundreds of billions and thousands of lives going after Saddam when the real villians are Muslim extremists? You can't tell me Saddam and Iraq were ever a greater danger to the US or the rest of the world than OBL and Al Queda.


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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Last I checked wil,the coalition has now uncovered over 200 mass graves in Iraq. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Really, thats interesting, where exactly did you find that information? Even if true it doesn't change the fact that the real threat to the US is OBL and Muslim or Islamist extremists. The most dangerous man in the world is Osama bin Laden. Most independent observers believe that, if alive, Osama will be rooting for Dubya. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld because they have been good for business if you are an Islamist extremist looking to make the 'clash of civilisations' a reality. Bottom line is Bush and company are fighting the wrong war.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by michael777:
wil,how far to the left are you? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Apparently left of sheepish Klansmen like OutAndDumb and yourself.
 
lander,all i did was ask a question,just want to know how far left wil is,what's wrong with that? not surprised that a liberal like you would attack me personally right away
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> wil,how far to the left are you? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL - actually just a slight bit to the left of center (usually). I mean the slighest bit, but what has happened since the Florida fiasco has enraged me as an American, a veteran of Viet Nam, a taxpayer, and an intelligent human being. I very much was behind Regean in the 80's and George Bush during the Gulf War. This insane presidency has created an incredible rift in our country, I cannot remember Americans being so divided as they are right now.


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If Bush had not invaded Iraq, the same number of attacks would have taken place on US soil after 9/11.

I could say the Iraq invasion changed nothing but that would be wrong.

Its freed up a huge local support base for OBL and Al-Quaeda, and tied down the US military in enemy territory.
 

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wil, wil, wil, where do I start with you.

The information is correct, it's my story and I'm sticking to it.
The real threat is anyone and everyone that would cater to muslim extremists including one of our own nominees for president. Osama routing for dubya over kerry would be like saying I'd rather be in ring with Mike Tyson than ( I forgot who the lib was on this forum that said he'd never fight anyone for any reason).
After Mike Tyson kicks my ass, my friends and family likely won't be asking him for a fight, or me for boxing advice.
Osama misjudged Bush and the American people badly and as a result the Taliban is gone. Saddam misjudged Americans patience with the UN and he was found in a worm hole less than a year later.
Saddam promised America 'the mother of all wars' should we attack him. Saddam was a terrorist and his case, I don't give a crap if he was personally a muslim extremist. He did have ties to Al quida and he had a lot of money. Sounded to me like Saddam was a muslim extremist when he called for the holy war, the jihad, just before his going and hiding in a worm hole.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The information is correct, it's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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Hard to argue with that logic.

What Mike Tyson has to do with anything is beyond me.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Osama misjudged Bush and the American people badly and as a result the Taliban is gone. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But OBL is still around, there are more than 1000 US soldiers dead and we are stuck in the quagmire of a useless war. Meanwhile Americans are being told terrorist attacks are emminent even with Saddam defeated and in jail. So you tell me what good did it do to fight this needless war.


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Dropping bigger bombs would have minimized the US soldiers dead.
Wil,
There's a time for war and a time for peace.
Just don't leave it to a liberal to figure it out.
 

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Silly me, how could I forget about right wing diplomacy.

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Michael Moore is right about one thing, alot of stupid americans vote. How else can you explain the fact that Bush might just get a 2nd term. Sec. of State Colin Powell will resign soon after the elction if Bush is re-elected. He's had it with this clown. But like a good soldier he is going to keep his mouth shut and let the people decide that this clueless moron needs to be defeated.
 

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Iraq says satellite channels incite violence

DUBAI, July 25 (Reuters) - Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshiyar Zebari accused regional satellite channels of inciting violence and hinted Iraq might stop Al Jazeera operating in the country.

"Al Jazeera, Al Arabiya, al-Manar and al-Alam have all become channels of incitement and opposed to the interests, security and stability of the Iraqi people," Zebari told Al Jazeera television.

"There is strong talk from some Iraqi government officials about closing Al Jazeera. Unfortunately it is being manipulated by terrorist groups and we will not tolerate this biased coverage," he said.

Al Manar, is owned by Lebanese guerrilla group Hizbollah, al-Alam is Iran's Arabic-language television channel and Dubai-based Al Arabiya is mostly Saudi owned.


Al Jazeera, which together with Al Arabiya gained popularity among Arab viewers for its graphic coverage of the 2003 war in Iraq, denounced the allegations and said it would continue to cover news in Iraq.


"Al Jazeera condemns this method of dealing with the press and considers the allegations and threats as tantamount to incitement against the channel and its staff working in Iraq," the television said in a statement faxed to Reuters.


Dubai-based Al Arabiya could not be immediately reached for comment.


Al Jazeera unveiled a code of ethics earlier this month, pledging to adhere to honesty, fairness and balance.


Iraqi officials have previously temporarily limited operations of the Qatar-based channel and its competitor, Dubai-based Al Arabiya, accusing them of inciting violence.


The U.S. administration has repeatedly criticised Al Jazeera and Al Arabiya's coverage of Iraq claiming they were biased. Both channels have repeatedly aired footage of anti-U.S. attacks and statements from Iraqi insurgents and from kidnappers of hostages in Iraq.

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Quit holding your hands over your ears and read it again. It will take some time for us republican to turn barbaric Iraq into Vermont, but I hope you wish us well.
 

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Best of luck, your going to need it.
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Iraqis stand near the site of an oil pipeline sabotaged near Samarra on Saturday.

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Insurgents struck targets in the Baghdad area in separate incidents Saturday, kidnapping the chief of an Iraqi construction firm, killing two Iraqi police officers; attempting to kill an official and sabotaging an oil pipeline, an Interior Ministry spokesman said.

Gunmen seized Raad Adnan, the director-general of the al-Mansour Contracting Co., shortly before 10 a.m. on al-Rubaie Street in the Zeiouna district of Baghdad, Col. Adnan Abdul Rahman said.

The company is run by the Ministry of Housing and Construction.

Adnan's kidnapping is the latest in a series of abductions. It comes as negotiators worked to free seven truck drivers and a high-ranking Egyptian diplomat, who were kidnapped in recent days. (Full story)

The two Iraqi police officers were killed and five wounded in an attack at a checkpoint in western Baghdad, an Interior Ministry spokesman said.

All casualties were taken to the Yarmouk Hospital for treatment.

South of the Iraqi capital, insurgents attacked a two-car convoy carrying an Iraqi Interior Ministry official, killing two of his bodyguards, Rahman said.

Gunmen drove past the convoy shortly before 8 a.m. and fired on the vehicles as they traveled between Latifiya and Mahmoudiya.

The official -- identified only as Raad -- was not hurt in the attack, Rahman said.

The chief of police for western Baghdad was traveling in the other vehicle in the convoy and also escaped with no injuries, Rahman said.

Rahman said insurgents bombed a section of an oil pipeline north of Baghdad early Saturday, triggering a fire.

The bomb was planted under the pipeline between Dour and Samarra in Salhuddin province, he said.

Other developments

A U.S. Marine died from wounds received Friday "while conducting security and stability operations" in Al Anbar province, according to a news release from the U.S.-led Multi-National Forces. Iraq's sprawling Al Anbar province, which includes the embattled cities of Ramadi and Fallujah, has been the scene of fierce fighting. With the death, 907 U.S. forces have died in the Iraq war -- 673 combat-related deaths, 234 non-combat deaths.


U.S.-led forces in Iraq launched a strike Friday in Fallujah on some dozen militants suspected of ties to al-Zarqawi, according to a statement. The statement did not say if the militants were killed. A Ministry of Health official told CNN at least one person was injured in the attack.


Maverick Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr led prayers at the Kufa mosque south of Baghdad for the first time in two months, The Associated Press reported. Al-Sadr criticized insurgents who have beheaded at least three foreigners since April, according to the AP.


An Iraqi general was shot and killed in Mosul as he was on his way to Friday prayers, an Iraqi official said. Gen. Salim Blaish retired under Saddam Hussein but had recently returned to military service, a spokesman for the Mosul police said. A neighbor who was accompanying the general was also killed.


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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck Sims:
Michael Moore is right about one thing, alot of stupid americans vote. How else can you explain the fact that Bush. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Average IQ in the USA is about 100.

Bush and his boys were convinced that IRAQ would bow to him and the USA. That's why he landed on the air craft carrier stating major combat complete. His ground info in IRAQ was wrong.

Joint you mentioned we should have dropped bigger bombs in a twistred sense I agree.

Sadam had an army about 300,000. 50,000 of them were loyal supporters, they are still running around that country. Hell they could surface in the next couple of years. They had a chance to wipe them all out but Bush screwed up.

His fate will be determined by good paying jobs. If this "great GW econonmy" continues then GW should win, I just do not see the guy voted back in office.
 

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